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The most realistic flight simulation controller is here: the HOTAS Cougar, lifelike in design, lifelike in performance. This is truly "Hands on Throttle and Stick" gameplay. Based on the actual controller found in F-16 fighter aircraft, the HOTAS transports you to the furthest reaches of flight-simulation technology. From the second you grab hold of both the stick and the throttle, you notice the difference. All metal, black, and ready for business--that is the HOTAS. This controller offers up to 28 programmable buttons, multiple programmable hat switches, and adjustable resistance for the throttle, afterburner, and idle detent. These are just a few of the many features of this revolutionary stick and throttle combo. Without question, the HOTAS Cougar is the controller for true flight enthusiasts. This version of the Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar comes bundled with a free version of the IL-2 Sturmovik flight-simulator video game.
Sierra Hotel
What more needs to be said? It's that good.
As a long time user of TM gear, I had expected the Cougar to simply be an updated, USB interface, all metal version of the F22 Pro and TQS. I was mistaken.
The build quality of the HOTAS is excellent, it feels - and is - extremely solid. There's no chance of flipping it around or over or having it wander across your desk as you use it, which is more than can be said for most of the other sticks on the market.
While the springs in the stick are stronger than those in the F22 Pro, it does not feel overly stiff due to the weight of the stick itself. It creates a very nice and smooth balance, and coupled with the significantly improved resolution over the older TM gear it is no problem at all to fly and shoot with extreme precision.
For example, when flying in IL-2 with my F22 pro, I had no trouble hitting the targets I wanted. When I first used the Cougar, I was amazed. It was no longer a question of hitting the target I wanted, but /where/ on the target did I want to hit?
Suddenly I was able to selectively dismantle enemy aircraft in flight; going for a wing here, an engine there, or even shooting for the cockpit for a quick kill.
My first test with it against an Me-323 had me stripping off the outer right wing, followed by the outer left, then the tail section, and finally two of the engines - all while the target was twisting and spiralling toward the ground.
The precision and smooth control of the Cougar allows this, and as good as the old F22 Pro is, it just can't come close to allowing me to do that.
It is, without a doubt, the finest commercially produced HOTAS to ever hit the market. If you have any inclination at all, I suggest you pick one up, you won't regret it. My last TM HOTAS (the F22 Pro/TQS) has provided me with 8 years of flawless service, and I expect it to easily last 8 more.
I see no reason not to expect the same from the Cougar.
Heavy duty HOTAS
THE GOOD
The Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS stands unique amidst it's peers. I Know of no other controller outfit that weighs in like this metal duo.
The Cougar is literally heavy and generously laden with function. Extensively configurable; designed for the most serious flight simulation enthusiast. Ergonomically accurate we're told, as close to the real thing without being attached to an F16 -- and all quite believably true.
The HOTAS has serious firmware, software and hardware support from a strong user base. http://cougar.frugalsworld.com/ offers a terrific home for Cougar owners. Cougar's World has an admirable compliment of information, files and web links.
THE BAD
Into year two, the HOTAS is a disappointment; here's why:
The flight stick has moderate spring resistance in direct X-Y movement. But diagonal movement requires nearly double effort simply because resistance comes from two springs instead of one. This may seem like a logical condition but it is the first stick in my possession that it becomes an obvious issue. The added effort isn't something to complain about from a hand/arm strength perspective but very fine adjustments really become difficult under the pressure. A niggling complaint that is almost embarrassing to mention is that I have to move my hand up off the stick's hand rest ledge when engaging the primary hat switch or pickle button. A very large hand will likely not experience this, but for me, with a large-medium size hand, it is something I noticed right away and would cut the stick length by an inch if I were part of the Cougar design team. I'm not even going to mention the persistant cold metal feel of these aluminum controllers in a cool room.
Now for a valid complaint: With VERY moderate use of less than 25 hours, the potentiometers have begun to spike and lose center. Primarily the X axis but the Y is showing signs of failure as well. Just as disappointing is the free play at center that is ever growing. A sliding switch on the throttle seemed to engage strangely from the first. Initially I considered the action accurate in order to differentiate it from the other similar dogfight switch above it. As use has worn into the switch, it becomes obvious that it has been, and is becoming, more defective. It often doesn't register a right side input and hardly snaps into the right end hold position. When it does, it is barely engaged. The centering action is now almost totally gone as well, as though a spring return is going to soon resign the job.
THE UGLY
Paint on the flight stick handle seems to have never fully dried, at least in one spot, as there is an area of soft erosion taking place where the low luster black is turning into a very flat tone with a rough, crumbling surface.
I wish I had not bought the Cougar. With it's current condition, I would have to sell it at a fraction of what I paid. Repairing it is not something I want to undertake. The pots may not be too tough but the sliding switch on the throttle looks to be very difficult to get to.
Buy the Cougar if you want a unique masterpiece for diehards. Look for something else if you don't mind plastic, mass produced, modern flight controllers.
Heavy Duty Joystick
I've read tons of reviews on the TM Cougar before I finally gave in, got my pennies together, and ordered it. All the reviews I read raved about it being the ultimate HOTAS setup for serious flight sim fans. Well, I've had my Cougar now for a few weeks and for the most part, I'd have to agree. It is a quality piece of hardware with very sophisticated programing abilities that's built to last. However, I think if your like me, you'd be led to believe that the Cougar is damn near perfect, especially with the hefty price tag, but you'd be wrong. There are a few serious points to be aware of before you rush out and spend your hard earn cash on your very own Cougar HOTAS.
The most serious (for me) is the clunky stick feel. Everyone warns you about the strong stick resistance but none of the reviews I read at the time mentioned how difficult it is to control the stick smoothly, transitioning from one quadrant to the other (areas between the x & y axis). This is NOT a silky smooth stick out of the box. Far from it. The strong spring resistance is something I don't mind at all if it was smooth, but the cougar (because of the 2 spring, gimble design) has a tendency to "drop" into one of the axis' as you move it from one quadrant to the other causing the plane your flying to jerk or pull suddenly in the axis it drops into. Needless to say, this can be very frustrating when your .15 km behind a Bf109, manuevering to get that perfect deflection shot.
There are modifications to correct this "characteristic" of the Cougar and a very strong, dedicated community of Cougar owners with advice and expertise to help modify your Cougar to your liking. Just be aware, some of the modifications will cost more then the price of the HOTAS itself.
If your looking for a silky smooth stick feel with precise control throughout the complete range of movement of the stick, the Cougar may not be the HOTAS for you, at least not right out of the box. If your looking for a solid, high quality, built like a tank, HOTAS that you can get under the hood of and "Hot Rod" to your specs, then look no further. You have found nirvana.
Amazon.com Review
PC gamepads can be a difficult peripheral to get right--care needs to be put into the design, the layout of pads and buttons, and the appropriate software interface. Guillemot's ThrustMaster Dual Analog Gamepad pretty much nails it.
The sturdily constructed controller features 13 action buttons, 2 analog sticks, an 8-way directional pad, and both USB and gameport interfaces. Thanks to USB, installation of the controller proves simple--you just plug it in, install the software, and play.
Molded hard rubber makes the gamepad comfortable to use, even for long periods of time. Designed like PlayStation-style gamepads, the action buttons include four on the right side of the pad, two triggers below, and four on the front. Another button rests below the two sticks, which also serve as action buttons in digital mode. While well positioned, no labels or numbers differentiate the buttons, so you'll need to get to know them.
In analog mode, the sticks work very well for racing games, such as Superbike World Championship--using one to steer and the other for acceleration and braking. Although Guillemot touts the gamepad as ideal for first-person shooters (and it works well with the sticks in analog mode), we found its best uses are for racing and action gameplay.
The ThrustMaster keyboard emulation software makes it a snap to use the controller for a variety of games, from Falcon 4.0 to Half-Life, via preset commands. You can also create your own presets easily with the Dual Analog software. It would have been nice to have more information in the physical manual about calibration and configuration, but the software manual included with the gamepad covers the issue thoroughly.
This gamepad meets all the standards of a PC controller, and with its sleek design, well-positioned buttons and pads, and excellent software, the ThrustMaster Dual Analog Gamepad hits the ground running and doesn't stop. J. Curtis
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Amazon.com Product Description
The ThrustMaster dual analog gamepad offers progressive operation for racing and first-person shooter games. Analog operation means the more you push, the more response you get. The two analog controllers allow you maneuver with one stick and accelerate with the other. The provided software lets you program 13 quick-action functions. The ThrustMaster gamepad is compatible with all USB-equipped PCs and Macintosh computers and is covered by a one-year warranty.
Bad, bad product
I will never buy an other Guillemot product. The fact is that the software included with this controler is aweful. It slowed down my powerful system to the point where games are unplayable. Customer support was lacking as well, and I was informed that the problem must lie somewhere in my system software (even though my computer is brand new). The manual contains less than 500 words in English, the buttons are not labled, and the controler was not compatable with contemporary EA titles. Do not buy this product.
Great product
I found this gamepad to completely blow away my exisiting Gravis Gamepad PRo USB. installation took two seconds, calibration was easy, and soon i was playing NBA live. the control is amazing, your hands never get tired, the thing is exteremly comfortable too. Plenty of buttons in the right places too. All in all, highly reccomended.
This could'a been a contender - but it sucks
The other reviews slamming this product are correct. The associated programming interface is useless and slows the system down to unplayable status. And due to the layout of the buttons, it is next to useless as a geenric controller. The shoulder buttons are set up as 1 & 2 on the left and 3 & 4 on the right. The regular pad buttons on the face of the controller are 5, 6, 7, & 8. Without the ability to use the programming interface to change these, it's too awkward to play just about any game. This is unfortunate as the analog sticks work smoothly and the physical layout & feel of the controller is pretty nice. So much so, that I'm gonna rip it apart and see if I can resolder the connections to put the buttons in their standard places.
As it stands though, this controller is frustrating and next to useless.
Amazon.com Review
Many joysticks these days let players twist the stick to control rudder movements, but the feature just can't compare to a good set of dedicated rudder pedals. Dedicated pedals allow for more precise control due to their extreme range of travel (compared to the miniscule travel of a twist stick), and they make flying games much more realistic. The Thrustmaster Elite rudder pedals aren't the most versatile set we've ever used, but for the money you get a solidly built unit that literally adds an extra dimension of control to games that support pedals.
The pedals consist of a wide, stable base unit with large pedals mounted on either side. They move back and forth (like real airplane rudder controls) instead of up and down like a car's accelerator and gas pedals. The pedals have catches on the back for your heels, making it possible to move them by pushing backward instead of forward. They are also linked, so when one pedal is pushed forward the other is pushed back. This seemed awkward at first, but the fact that the pedal not being used goes back means your leg is always positioned perfectly to kick it forward quickly should the need arise.
Not that any force is required to move the pedals back to center. The unit is self-centering, and the cables used to provide resistance and snap the pedals to neutral are strong. In fact, they're almost too strong, as the unit tends to slide around a lot when placed on hard surfaces; the smooth rubber feet on the bottom of the base just don't hold well. If you don't have carpet, you'll need to find some method of securing the unit in one spot (we can only hope your solution is more elegant than ours, which involved driving nails into the floor).
The pedals move about four inches forward and the same distance aft, which doesn't seem like much, but in actual use is generous. Precise rudder control is possible and was immediately missed when we removed the pedals from our system. Games like Flight Simulator 2000 became much more involved and fun once we hooked up the pedals and disabled the default settings that link the rudder to the ailerons. Rudder controls are rarely used in jet simulators, so pedals are overkill if you like those types of games, but WWI and WWII flight-sim fans will be in heaven.
If you've ever installed a joystick you should have no trouble setting up this device. It plugs directly into the game port on your sound card (or a dedicated game port if you have one), and your joystick attaches to a pass-through cable that splits off from the main rudder-pedal cable. There's no power supply to worry about, and the pedals should work with any joystick as long as you follow the instructions for setting it up. You'll also have to make sure the pedals are enabled in each flight sim you play, but other than that, the setup is fairly straightforward.
Good as these pedals are for flight simulators, that's the strict limit of their usefulness (aside from providing a comfortable footrest). They can't be used for driving games, which is a shame. That, coupled with their tendency to slide, means they aren't for everyone, but if you have the right floor and play a lot of simulations featuring prop planes, the Thrustmaster Elite rudder pedals can be a lot of fun. --T. Byrl Baker
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Amazon.com Product Description
Complete a realistic cockpit for flight sim games with Thrustmaster's Elite Rudder Pedals. Add a separate joystick and throttle, and you can perform complicated air maneuvers with spring-loaded pivot control rudders. The large stable base is designed to stay in place during gameplay. Elite Rudder Pedals are for use with all game port-equipped PCs and are covered by a one-year warranty.
Excellent pedals, used as rudder or throttle and brake!
I use these pedals for a rudder in all of my flight sims. they give great analog control and precise movements. a must have for a flight sim lover. Not only that, but for mos car racing games you can use these pedals as real pedals. the only problem is that they are designed for 2 feet so they are a little spread out. But it's not to bad. these are a good price and very useful.
Buyer beware!
I was unable to test the Thrustmaster Elite Rudder Pedals as they are completely imcompatable with my Force Feedback Joystick. Just a word of caution to prosective buyers - If you plan to use these rudder pedals with any version of Logitech Wingman Joystick, I would strongly suggest you first visit Logitech's website to insure that they are compatable with Third Party Analog Rudder Pedals. Due to my own fault, I failed to do ALL my homework before ordering, and, eventhough Amazon took them back, I, non the less, had to pay for return shipping. I was very impressed with the weight and positive feel of the pedals, and am truly sorry they would not work with my system.
The best in its class
These Rudder Pedals are by FAR better than the ones made by CH Products and much cheaper. The only set that's better that this is the Cirrus set but that's nearly 6 times more .... If you're in the market for some good quiality rudder pedals, this set is the way to go.
NO FFB FOR PC!
Yes, its a really nice wheel very good response and all that good stuff, BUT what they didnt tell you is that the Force Feed Back is ONLY for PS2 not for PC. Choose your Wheels wisely
A great wheel: for the price.
This is a great wheel, it has a good feel and doesn't feel cheap at all. I have tried it woth GT3 and NFS:HP2 and it works great. It doesn't work so well with GTA:SA. The wheel has vibration function, and shifters and gas brake pedals on the wheel as well as ones that go on the floor. The pedals aren't analog, the're either on or off however, and they tend to slide a little on carpet. It's no logitech, however overall for the price you really can't go wrong.
Great buy....Worth the price
Its smooth...excellent handling on my PS2. Haven't tried on my PC. excellent value for Money...My Pal Arun is now jealous....
Best Wheel for the Money!
I should have bought this wheel before spending a lot of money on a high end wheel that was a big dissapointment. I have owned the MS Sidewinder, 3 Logitech Momo Racing Force (they wear out fast), and a Thomas Superwheel. The Thrustmaster F430 puts them all to shame. It works with every driving game I own. I can't say that for the other wheels I've owned. It is very well built, especially the mounting mechanism. Very precise and a really good force feedback. I am finally enjoying pc racing the way it should be.
I was amazed!!!
First, let me say that I am new to racing games. I have played the Need For Speed Series, but that is really it. A friend of mine mentioned that the Thrustmaster Ferrari F430 Racing Wheel was compatible with Dirt 2 on the PS3. I contacted Thrustmaster and sure enough, it is! They said that Codemasters had worked with them to get their wheels tech programmed into the game. I was sold. I bought the F430 and Dirt 2. I WAS AMAZED at how comfortable this wheel is. Make no mistake, this wheel is as sturdy a wheel as I have ever used. I tried to play some games on teh Xbox 360 using the Microsoft wheel and when my palms sweat (which was often due to my n00b status), my hands would slip. On the Thrustmaster F430 wheel, the grip is a VERY high quality rubber that meant ZERO slipping when my hands got sweaty. I was also very impressed with the responsiveness of the force feedback. I got to the point where I could tell I was in control and driving the right line, simply by how the wheel was responding which made it feel so realistic! Im playing in automatic mode, but the metal f1 style shifters on the wheel are very sturdy. I currently have one of them programmed as my horn. You will not be dissapointed with this wheel. The only thing I didn't like was the lack of labeled buttons. i rated its appearance as 4 stars for that reason alone. Otherwise, this wheel is an almost identical replica of the wheel on the real F430!
You won't regret it!
I bought this Ferrari wheel because of the price (the G25 was over $200 all around the web) and that was the best thing I did!
The wheel is rock solid, metal made with rubber cover around the wheel itself, the gear paddles are made of metal too as well as the pedals.
The wheel has a good grip, good quality and even it's 270 I can't complain! Works perfect for my F1 races online with rFactor.
And the Manettino was a nice surprise, I can configure a lot of different settings for it, it really helps while in the middle of a race and you need to change some setup or driving aid for your car.
That's the best you can get for the price, why pay more and have a similar product when you can own this superb piece of hardware?
That's the best for the bucks and after all, it's a Ferrari! Your friends will be impressed with the horse logo in the middle of it.
I recommend!